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#31
TSBB General Talk / Re: Satus report on the outdbo...
Last post by Timm R Oday25 - May 19, 2026, 10:24 PMI have been watching and learning about both electric and gas powered outboard
An 8 horse 2 stroke Johnson powered out Oday for the last 10 years.
2 years back I opened usually wide and bought 2 Yamaha outboard.
The first one is 2 and a half 4 stroke with. A built in tank gives me and hour of quiet
reliable power . A few years ago the fuel pump broke on the outboard .
This resulted in me towing the Oday with my dinghy while I rowed.Took me more than 2 hours to go about 2 blocks .
The next day ,my shoulders told me I am years or decades from my 20s .
I bought an 8 hose electric start 4 stroke with electric trim .
I pulled both out of storage last weekend .
The 2&1/2 horse started before I had pulled the rope more than halfway out .
The 8 horse started just as quickly.
I am convinced fresh non ethanol gas and quality engines make the difference
An 8 horse 2 stroke Johnson powered out Oday for the last 10 years.
2 years back I opened usually wide and bought 2 Yamaha outboard.
The first one is 2 and a half 4 stroke with. A built in tank gives me and hour of quiet
reliable power . A few years ago the fuel pump broke on the outboard .
This resulted in me towing the Oday with my dinghy while I rowed.Took me more than 2 hours to go about 2 blocks .
The next day ,my shoulders told me I am years or decades from my 20s .
I bought an 8 hose electric start 4 stroke with electric trim .
I pulled both out of storage last weekend .
The 2&1/2 horse started before I had pulled the rope more than halfway out .
The 8 horse started just as quickly.
I am convinced fresh non ethanol gas and quality engines make the difference
#32
Precision / Re: Almost ready to splash
Last post by Brian N. - May 19, 2026, 05:23 PMYou cannot view this attachment.
Cleaned and waxed - all ready to go
BTW - I used a little "Tire Wet" to get rid of the chalky white on the rub rail
Cleaned and waxed - all ready to go
BTW - I used a little "Tire Wet" to get rid of the chalky white on the rub rail
#33
TSBB General Talk / Re: Satus report on the outdbo...
Last post by Frank B. - May 19, 2026, 10:27 AMI considered it (electric). A Compac 23IV has a displacement of 3200 lbs. and the calc for HP required for hull speed in neutral conditions was about 5.8 HP IIRC. So that would take me up to the Spirt 2 which packages out at about $4500 but more appropriately the Navy 3 which would package out at about $6K. Everything I'm doing from the tank to the intake manifold is about $450, and I think it will provide appropriate reliability. That motor, that doesn't have much more than 100 hours, worked like a charm for the first six years, but during that time it was run at least every other week year round. Then life's issues caused it to sit idle more often than not and that's when the trouble began. We shall see.
Yes for sure small tweaking on the adjustment pilot screw is warranted. But the online info is mixed. Some say start at two and a half turns out, others dispute that. An old manual would probably address that but my manual is too new, doesn't cover it probably post EPA directive. And this screw is sloppy, almost like the spring is weak or broken. I'll know when I take it off and apart.
Yes for sure small tweaking on the adjustment pilot screw is warranted. But the online info is mixed. Some say start at two and a half turns out, others dispute that. An old manual would probably address that but my manual is too new, doesn't cover it probably post EPA directive. And this screw is sloppy, almost like the spring is weak or broken. I'll know when I take it off and apart.
#34
TSBB General Talk / Re: 209! WHAT?
Last post by Noemi - Ensenada 20 - May 18, 2026, 07:55 PMQuote from: Wolverine on May 17, 2026, 12:06 AMI need to buck up and eat right.
The trick is to STUFF yourself with the good stuff. Don't leave any room to be hungry.
It also helps to fast for a while to re-set your taste buds. We all want to eat a lot of fat, sugar, and salt, which our ancestors needed to survive but WE have way too much of.
#35
TSBB General Talk / Re: Satus report on the outdbo...
Last post by pgandw - May 18, 2026, 01:40 PMQuote from: Frank B. on May 18, 2026, 08:29 AMOn way too many occasions in recent years I've driven up there with the intentions of sailing and the motor kept that from happening. Yes, if everything is perfect I could go without a motor, but because of a very difficult slip to enter and leave from that doesn't work for me. So if the motor is balky it usually cancels a sail and I have to take the offending part off, go home, clean and rebuild, then bring it back, install and test. However, if I have two sets of the potentially offending parts, then I can pull the bad, replace it with the good in about thirty minutes and we're good to go. And the clean/rebuild is at my leisure. And let's face facts, it always is the carb or the pump.Exactly why I sold my Honda 5hp and bought an Epropulsion Spirit 1 Plus. Turned out motoring is so much more pleasurable with the electric that I now motor far more than I did WHEN I could get the Honda started.
Anyone with a Tohatsu/Nissan 6hp 4stroke sailpro know how to adjust the pilot screw on the carb? My new manual doesn't address it, I think because the newer models have a cap over it so it is not adjustable, probably an EPA directive. My model does not have the cap and I'm not sure how to do it.
Be that as it may, on adjusting stuff without a manual for guidance, I try very small tweaks and listen for any improvement (higher RPM, smoother running, clearer exhaust). Go the the other way the same tiny amount and check for improvement. If nothing changes, increase the amount of adjustment in small increments until it does. Then select and mark/record the setting I like best. Trial and error at its finest.
Fred W
Stuart (ODay) Mariner 19 Sweet P
PS WD-40 was invented for exactly the scenario for recovery from dumping a motor into salt water.
#36
Midwest / Re: Anchor and hanger for wwp ...
Last post by pgandw - May 18, 2026, 01:27 PMI've always used fluke type anchors (except on coral reefs in the Bahamas). Once set, they have never failed to hold me. Reasonably easy to stow.
I'd stay away from the real light models - they are just too small to dig in. Probably 6-8lbs is big and heavy enough, although 10-11 lbs is good for heavy winds. And 5-10ft of chain is critical, too. I store my anchor on hooks on the bow pulpit (hooks from Defender or West Marine). The chain and rode sits in a small laundry basket in a cockpit locker with a heavy duty carabiner to pair it with the anchor either before I set sail (run the rode through a bow chock back to the cockpit) or when getting ready to anchor.
I've also put the anchor in the cockpit locker with the rode pre-rigged through the bow chock and back to the cockpit so I could lower the anchor from the cockpit. I mostly sail single handed, and even with the bow pulpit, going forward on my 19ft Mariner in anything but calm seas is an adventure for this old man.
Other folks have many other opinions, and probably valid reasons for their differing opinions.
Fred W
Stuart (ODay) Mariner Sweet P
I'd stay away from the real light models - they are just too small to dig in. Probably 6-8lbs is big and heavy enough, although 10-11 lbs is good for heavy winds. And 5-10ft of chain is critical, too. I store my anchor on hooks on the bow pulpit (hooks from Defender or West Marine). The chain and rode sits in a small laundry basket in a cockpit locker with a heavy duty carabiner to pair it with the anchor either before I set sail (run the rode through a bow chock back to the cockpit) or when getting ready to anchor.
I've also put the anchor in the cockpit locker with the rode pre-rigged through the bow chock and back to the cockpit so I could lower the anchor from the cockpit. I mostly sail single handed, and even with the bow pulpit, going forward on my 19ft Mariner in anything but calm seas is an adventure for this old man.
Other folks have many other opinions, and probably valid reasons for their differing opinions.
Fred W
Stuart (ODay) Mariner Sweet P
#37
Precision / Re: Almost ready to splash
Last post by Riggerdood - May 18, 2026, 12:06 PMWell, that sucks. Screw them if your $$ is no good to them! Sounds to me like they just don't want any small sailboats in their precious big boat slips. You're better off trailering anyway, without all the hassles that come with being in a slip.
#38
TSBB General Talk / Satus report on the outdboard ...
Last post by Frank B. - May 18, 2026, 08:29 AMSome weeks back my Sailpro motor decided to take a dive while running at the dock. The mount broke, fortunately a safety chain kept the dive rather shallow so not the seven feet under it could have been. I retrieved it, hooked it up on my stand at home and it would not start.
I now have a replacement mount plate (Thank you Charles Brennan) and all the hardware needed to rebuild the mount.
I bought a new gas tank, old one had a crack and was permanently bulged. Bought the tank side fitting for the fuel line, old one, brand new leaked terribly, new one does not. I dumped the old gas (my truck doesn't seem to mind aged fuel) filled the new tank with fresh non-ethanal gasoline appropriately treated with Sea Foam, drained the float bowl, and the fuel supply lines, put a new plug in, cleaned out all the dirt dauber nests and cranked away. Low and behold it started and ran just as poorly as it did before it took a dive.
So next step may seem a little extreme to some but it makes sense. I will buy a new OEM carb and fuel pump and install them on the motor. I will also buy the parts to rebuild the old carb and pump. Expensive, yes but here's the logic. My boat lives in the water 35 miles away. On way too many occasions in recent years I've driven up there with the intentions of sailing and the motor kept that from happening. Yes, if everything is perfect I could go without a motor, but because of a very difficult slip to enter and leave from that doesn't work for me. So if the motor is balky it usually cancels a sail and I have to take the offending part off, go home, clean and rebuild, then bring it back, install and test. However, if I have two sets of the potentially offending parts, then I can pull the bad, replace it with the good in about thirty minutes and we're good to go. And the clean/rebuild is at my leisure. And let's face facts, it always is the carb or the pump.
Anyone with a Tohatsu/Nissan 6hp 4stroke sailpro know how to adjust the pilot screw on the carb? My new manual doesn't address it, I think because the newer models have a cap over it so it is not adjustable, probably an EPA directive. My model does not have the cap and I'm not sure how to do it.
I now have a replacement mount plate (Thank you Charles Brennan) and all the hardware needed to rebuild the mount.
I bought a new gas tank, old one had a crack and was permanently bulged. Bought the tank side fitting for the fuel line, old one, brand new leaked terribly, new one does not. I dumped the old gas (my truck doesn't seem to mind aged fuel) filled the new tank with fresh non-ethanal gasoline appropriately treated with Sea Foam, drained the float bowl, and the fuel supply lines, put a new plug in, cleaned out all the dirt dauber nests and cranked away. Low and behold it started and ran just as poorly as it did before it took a dive.
So next step may seem a little extreme to some but it makes sense. I will buy a new OEM carb and fuel pump and install them on the motor. I will also buy the parts to rebuild the old carb and pump. Expensive, yes but here's the logic. My boat lives in the water 35 miles away. On way too many occasions in recent years I've driven up there with the intentions of sailing and the motor kept that from happening. Yes, if everything is perfect I could go without a motor, but because of a very difficult slip to enter and leave from that doesn't work for me. So if the motor is balky it usually cancels a sail and I have to take the offending part off, go home, clean and rebuild, then bring it back, install and test. However, if I have two sets of the potentially offending parts, then I can pull the bad, replace it with the good in about thirty minutes and we're good to go. And the clean/rebuild is at my leisure. And let's face facts, it always is the carb or the pump.
Anyone with a Tohatsu/Nissan 6hp 4stroke sailpro know how to adjust the pilot screw on the carb? My new manual doesn't address it, I think because the newer models have a cap over it so it is not adjustable, probably an EPA directive. My model does not have the cap and I'm not sure how to do it.
#39
TSBB General Talk / Re: 209! WHAT?
Last post by Frank B. - May 18, 2026, 07:04 AMAnd I forgot to mention that I'm a bit of a statistics junkie. As a devotee of W. Edwards Deming, who in my opinion, caused the most significant advancement in mass manufacturing since Henry Fords assembly line, I often tell those around me that he will bring calm to your life. At this time in history when we're bombarded with "facts" often alarming, by 24/7 multi platform sources, one should step back and ask "what is the actual probability"?
In the health care industry the difference between absolute risk and relative risk is important. Relative risk is often a scary number and is used to push you to a certain treatment option. Absolute risk is the true difference in risk if you choose to be in the population that does not go in that direction.
Cool bike, amazing that you still have it after all these years. I bought a used bike for myself and an old time replica with coaster brake for my wife. For a time we rode the local "rails to trails" pathway, but she fell one day, cracked a rib, and now they are gathering dust in the shed.
In the health care industry the difference between absolute risk and relative risk is important. Relative risk is often a scary number and is used to push you to a certain treatment option. Absolute risk is the true difference in risk if you choose to be in the population that does not go in that direction.
Cool bike, amazing that you still have it after all these years. I bought a used bike for myself and an old time replica with coaster brake for my wife. For a time we rode the local "rails to trails" pathway, but she fell one day, cracked a rib, and now they are gathering dust in the shed.
#40
Precision / Re: Almost ready to splash
Last post by Brian N. - May 17, 2026, 11:08 PMI'll be keeping the boat in the driveway as usual. It is just 5 minutes to drive to the ramp and the P165 is easy to set up. Even on a mooring, I would still be restricted by the tide when getting out of or into the marina basin. My name did come up on the wait list for a slip, but they offered me a slip that was so shallow that at low tide the boat would sit on mud. I tried to explain that a sailboat with a keel needs a deeper slip. They refused saying the deeper slips were for larger boats only. I offered to pay the extra and still no deal. There is a private club with deeper slips but it is a bit expensive and about a 30 minute drive.