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Started by FortyFour, Apr 30, 2023, 10:27 PM
Quote from: Straander on May 01, 2023, 01:34 PMI've been in your position for about a year now myself @FortyFour. been dreaming of exploring the salish sea in a larger, more comfortable and safer boat then my P165, and especially of being able to just hop aboard and just go sailing without the rigmarole of trailering then stepping a mast twice for each trip.My situation is a little different in that there are numerous marinas within a 30 minute drive of me. But in a city with as much money as seattle has, those things are very much priced specifically for the people making that serious money. I've started reaching out to the few people I know who are in to sailing (including a couple I specifically got in to sailing since my P165 was their first time ever on a sailboat) about the idea of splitting ownership and marina costs for a 21-27' boat. But so far nothing has gotten any traction. Wait times for Marina slots are in the multi-year range here as well, so the logistics get in to a complicated chicken and the egg thing where I can't get a large boat until I have a place to Moore it, but I cant keep a slot at a marina without a boat to put in it.
Quote from: tjspiel on May 01, 2023, 02:34 PMNot sure how things compare in Seattle but in some marinas on Lake Superior you can purchase a slip rather than renting. I'm sure there are a bunch of monthly service charges still involved but often the slips and the boats within them go up for the sale at the same time.Or even if someone is renting a slip, they'll offer to include the remainder of the season's slip rental fees with the purchase of the boat.Around here at least, it's not hard to find good deals on boats. People decide they're done with them and they knew going in that boat ownership was bit of black hole money wise. So they'll take a loss rather than continuing to pay the expenses of storing and maintaining them. Slips are something else entirely. They're not bad (relatively) in less populated areas, but in large cities and suburbs, the costs are ridiculous.
Quote from: FortyFour on May 01, 2023, 07:28 PMThis is not a slight against the ASA Bareboat certification, it is a program that offers a full experience and exposure to cruising essentials, but the uncomfortable (for many) fact that it's a lifestyle primarily for the wealthy- including sampling global paradises- is kinda downplayed.
Quote from: Shesaidno on May 01, 2023, 10:27 PMBoat 4, during the 2022 Potter Cruiser Challenge in Monterey, one of my sailor friends said he was thinking about a Beneteau First 21. Fast boat, reasonable accommodations--and still trailerable. So when one came available in Arizona last December, I went to see it. Needed a lot of work including new paint. No electronics whatsoever. Looking at the size of it, I realized no way I could pull it with my SUV. And do I want to spend 2 years getting this to be the boat of my dreams or do I want to sail. I wanted to sail. Pass on boat 3. So I'm keeping She-said-no, my P165. But hey, I am always keeping my options open!!!
Quote from: Straander on May 01, 2023, 05:54 PMI didnt know slip ownership was a thing. I did some searching around seattle and it looks like they start at $115,000 for a 26' slip and go up from there. Is that similar to lake superior prices?
Quote from: Shesaidno on May 01, 2023, 10:27 PMWhat a great topic. I've had my P165 since 2017 and after a couple years, I started at least thinking about a larger and faster boat. My complaints seemed reasonable. The P165 was really hard for me sleep on when at an anchorage. The wing keel seemed a compromise, as I was consistently out-pointed by most other boats. So here is my search and where I am today. First was a Farr 33, 1984 or 86? Fast for sure, if you know Bruce Farr the designer. Much easier to sleep, although accommodations are spartan. Located in Long Beach harbor, much closer than Ventura, although port traffic is horrible. A price I could handle, and the seller agreed to co-pay slip fees with me for one year if I would let him use it on occasion. He had taken good care of it. I sailed it twice. Not bad and could be single handed, but I felt it needed new sails. $$$$ I looked at the huge (to me) mast, then I thought about what it must take to remove it??? I checked out slip fees, about $450 a month and another 75 or so to clean the bottom. Oh, and the marina it was at, even though it was moored there, said if I wanted to stay there, I had to have a full inspection due to its age, meaning having it hauled out, plus inspection. I asked myself too, what happens when I pass into sailboat heaven. I already have a lot of STUFF and this would not make it easy for my wife or kids, none interested in sailing. Boat Pass OneBoat 2. Ultimate 20. Again, a nice fast boat, 20 feet long, I think I could single hand although it had many more controls plus a spinnaker. But when I sailed on it, while it was faster than my P165, I just didn't feel that another knot or two plus better pointing was worth $18,000. The cabin was even more spartan and of course much smaller than the Farr. Actually the P165 cabin is better in my opinion. Pass Boat 2. Boat 3. A friend of mine was big into catamarans and let me sail on his whenever I wanted. They are fast, and I found an older A-CAT, modified for foiling, for $3000. I bought it, figuring, wow, foiling would be so cool!!! Sailed it five or six times and felt like I was never in control, and that was without foiling! And where is the potty? Sold it for $3000. Fortunately, I had kept my P165. Boat 4, during the 2022 Potter Cruiser Challenge in Monterey, one of my sailor friends said he was thinking about a Beneteau First 21. Fast boat, reasonable accommodations--and still trailerable. So when one came available in Arizona last December, I went to see it. Needed a lot of work including new paint. No electronics whatsoever. Looking at the size of it, I realized no way I could pull it with my SUV. And do I want to spend 2 years getting this to be the boat of my dreams or do I want to sail. I wanted to sail. Pass on boat 3. So I'm keeping She-said-no, my P165. But hey, I am always keeping my options open!!!
Quote from: DBthal on May 01, 2023, 03:53 PMStraander,What about yard storage (similar to Ron D) for your current or a larger trailerable boat. You would keep it stored on the trailer in the marina's yard with mast raised, then splash the boat at the marina's ramp when you want to go sailing. Minimal rigging required.